I’ve been hearing variations on this theme quite a bit lately, and it strikes me as off.
Note: I’m not talking about the situation where someone is told that their voice may be suited to such-and-such, so they set off on a journey of discovery to see what such-and-such is all about. There’s nothing wrong with exploration.
No, I’m talking about those who start out by stating their disinterest in a given topic, then follow it up with their determination to write a story like that. They never read category romance, but they’re going to write it. Vampires leave them cold, but bloodsuckers are hot, so off they go. It’s an odd, almost boastful attitude of, “I have no interest in learning more about X, but I won’t let that stop me.”
And every time I hear it, my brain starts whirring like Robbie the Robot and I want to say, “Does Not Compute. Does Not Compute.” I don’t get it at all.
I got into a debate recently about this exact subject. (I was the con side.) The author representing pro made the argument that someone unfamiliar with a particular genre was also free from genre expectations and restraints. The newbie could bring to the table something truly fresh and different.
Okay, I conceded. I think there’s a chance that could happen. There’s also a chance of those three chimps typing Hamlet.
Isn’t it far more likely that an individual with no knowledge of or interest in a particular subject would come forward with something either totally unworkable or else, unconsciously cliched?
I saw the former mostly when I was a regular visitor to the eHarlequin web boards earlier this decade. Occasionally the newbie would visit the board, filled with their radical ideas to revolutionize the “formulaic” category romance novel industry (which, by the way, they’d read approximately two of) by writing — wait for it — category romances where the hero and heroine don’t end up together.
The latter is apparent whenever you start wading through slush piles (or, if you don’t work in the industry, check out writer display sites or those industry blogs that occasionally open themselves up for pitch practice).
When folks advise writers to know the market, they are saying that a writer should be aware of what else is out there. what has come before, what is big now? Read, stay on top of what the audience is reading, etc.
(Note: I know writers who say they can’t read in the genre they are writing while they are writing. Fine. I don’t like to do that either. But you better believe that they read plenty of books like theirs before they attempted to write their own!)
To me, the willfully ignorant stance smacks of the popular fairy tale of someone sitting down one day, banging out a book, and selling it for a gazillion dollars. Yes, there are prodigies, but you hear about them in a disproportionate amount because their story makes for better promo copy than the people who study and work and eventually get good enough to go pro. The whole model is out of whack.
This isn’t how it works, guys. Writing is a profession, like any other. It takes research, practice, hard work, and a knowledge of others in the industry. I can’t imagine an actor who isn’t interested in seeing another actor’s work, a doctor who has no curiosity about the kind of surgeries someone else is performing, an architect who doesn’t care about the building going up across the street.
18 Comments
April 10, 2007 at 2:32 pm
Boy, do I ever agree! As someone who reads a lot of contest entries, I can spot someone who hasn’t read widely a mile away. And it’s not because they are fresh, but because they are horribly cliched. It’s what this writer “thinks” this genre should be rather than what it truly is.
Yes, there are a few who get it…but those are generally very good writers who could sell their grocery list on sheer talent alone. And I think those people are few and far between.
I totally believe that the fact that I read widely and with a critical eye before I tried to submit to Temptation back in the day is why I was able to come up with something that while fresh, still fit in the category mold. It’s not easy to do both, but it certainly can be done. I know lots of writers who have accomplished this!
April 10, 2007 at 2:32 pm
Great post, Diana. There’s a huge difference between breaking rules for effect, and not knowing them in the first place. The former requires skill — the latter, just stupidity.
I can understand someone writing in a different genre than what they read for pleasure, based on market considerations or talent (for example, a writer may love to read medical thrillers or science fiction in their leisure time but not be at all good at writing them, and be great at writing cozies — that’s fine, as long as the writer reads lots of cozies to become familiar with the genre). What I can’t understand is the person who says I’m going to build a better mousetrap, but I’m not going to trouble myself to see what’s already out there.
Learn it. Master it. Then take it in a new direction.
April 10, 2007 at 2:49 pm
“Writing is a profession, like any other. It takes research, practice, hard work, and a knowledge of others in the industry.”
I’m not sure who Robbie the Robot is, but my brain is whirring and saying, “Does compute, does compute.”
Thanks for reminding us of the basics. When are you going to come out with your own version of Stephen King’s “On Writing”? Oops – that came out wrong. I meant to say, when are you going to come out with Diana Peterfreund’s “On Writing”? (You are no one’s version of anyone else; you have your own voice and your own set of experiences, including many first-hand journeyman examples of how things work in the world of writing; your sharing of these has meant a lot to a lot of people over the last few years.)
To paraphrase: “I’ve never read it, but I’d sure like you to write it!”
April 10, 2007 at 3:00 pm
Bill: When I’m Stephen King.
He actually says something very similar in his book:
“It’s hard for me to believe that people who read very little – or not at all in some cases – should presume to write and expect people to like what they have written. Can I be blunt on this subject? If you don’t have time to read, you don’t have the time – or the tools – to write. Simple as that.”
Phyllis: One of my favorite pieces of writing advice:
“There are no rules in writing. There are useful principles. Throw them away when they’re not useful. But always know what you’re throwing away.” Will Shetterly
Julie: You’re exactly right. Writing what people THINK the book should be because they haven’t read enough to know how to properly deviate. The controversial writer Daniel Quinn (this is clearly my day for quotes!) once said:
“Most beginning writers – and I was the same – are like chefs trying to cook great dishes that they’ve never tasted themselves. How can you make a great – or even an adequate – bouillabaisse if you’ve never had any? If you don’t really understand why people read mysteries – or romances or literary novels or thrillers or whatever – then there’s no way in the world you’re going to write one that anyone wants to publish. This is the meaning of the well-known expression “Write what you know.”"
April 10, 2007 at 3:36 pm
Wow, my head’s going “Does Not Compute” as well. It’s sucha foreign idea to me that someone would not be reading a genre they want to write.
Before I met you, and been exposed to many others in the industry since, I was extremely ignorant about the processes of a writer. But whatever fantastical ideas I had about what writing and publishing were like, I still made some logical assumptions, such as someone would be an avid reader of the genre they would want to write in.
I’m a bit shocked…
April 10, 2007 at 5:14 pm
Amen!
If I had a nickle for every time someone said, “Oh, I don’t read fantasy novels.” and then turned around and said, “Guess what I’m writing? Turns out it’s a fantasy novel!” Man, I’d be rich.
And then these writers don’t understand why their work is a big o’ pile of cliched drivel.
Rule #1. Write what you love.
April 10, 2007 at 5:21 pm
I can understand someone writing in a different genre than what they read for pleasure, based on market considerations or talent
this is a very good point. For instance, I love reading historical romance novels. Love all the ballrooms and the rakes and the frocks and the trappings and the history. Doubt highly that I’ll ever write one. Just a fan.
Actually come to think of it, a lot of the contemporary romance novelists that I know love to read historicals. and I do think of the craft of writing when I’m reading them, but I find I can read them more as a pure fan than I can when I’m reading novels that are closer to what I write myself. Which I also love to read.
April 10, 2007 at 5:31 pm
I’m guilty of that. When I first started writing in 2000 I thought about writing category. I really wanted to write category. But I just didn’t read it. I tried to read it all, but wasn’t my cup of tea. So I realized that it would be a terrible idea for me to even try writing it!
Of course, now I’m writing something that could be considered horror and I rarely read horror, if ever
Hmmm….
April 10, 2007 at 5:45 pm
Carrie, but if you didn’t know what you were writing was horror before you wrote it, then the situation is rather different, IMHO.
April 10, 2007 at 5:57 pm
I had no idea my DH had been hanging out on the eHarlequin message boards!
April 10, 2007 at 6:21 pm
“Writing is a profession, like any other. It takes research, practice, hard work, and a knowledge of others in the industry.”
I ranted about this a while back. People want to believe that anyone can sit down and write a bestseller because those stories are, as you said, more compelling than the tale of someone who wrote every day for eight years and eventually worked his / her way up in the world.
April 10, 2007 at 6:42 pm
reading and writing and ‘rithmatic talk to the tune of a hickory stick you were my queen in calico i was your bashful barefoot beau and you wrote on my slate i love you joe when we were a couple of kids
April 10, 2007 at 10:45 pm
Love all the ballrooms and the rakes and the frocks and the trappings and the history. Doubt highly that I’ll ever write one. Just a fan.
This is how I feel about YA. LOL! Love reading it, but don’t think I could write it.
April 10, 2007 at 10:56 pm
Thankfully, I’m not saddled with this mundane mediocrity that the rest of you seem forced to face.
In fact, today, I’ve decided that I shall become taller than Shaquille O’Neal.
Don’t tell me I need to study. I’ll just grow.
April 10, 2007 at 11:01 pm
That’s the spirit, Patrick. If you can dream it, you can do it.
April 11, 2007 at 12:30 pm
Get out your wet noodles and what have you. I’m ready for my lashes.
I started writing a middle grade novel. I’ve read plenty of MG and besides, this is more tween-y and I am a YA-oholic. So no problems there, right?
But then I AM READING a science fiction novel. I do not love SF. That’s not why I picked up the book. I am reading it because it is kind of YA SF, has been recommended to me a gazillion times and is touted as one of the best in the whole SF genre. I am surprised that I don’t love it so much.
I talk to my writing partner about my expectations and how they’ve been dashed. It’s the words, mostly. They just aren’t beautiful. The prose doesn’t sing to me. On top of that, though the main plot is very good, I feel like I can tell when the writer came up with some of the new twists. To me, they feel like they were spackled into place.
I propose to my partner that I might like SF better if the story was written first, then the SF elements worked into it. As a joke, I take the first chapter of my sweet MG relationship story and move it two centuries ahead.
Amazingly, it makes the story come alive. I research SF a little, just for fun, and find:
A. I’ve already read 20 of the top 100 SF stories of all time but
B. It’s not SF unless the science part is crucial to the story.
I give up the idea of writing a SF MG. Until I take a shower and Boing! the What If bomb goes off in my head and I see how the science really could affect the plot.
My questions to you Oh Wise One:
1. Am I crazy? Pathetic? Misguided to think I can pull this off?
April 11, 2007 at 1:58 pm
I am assuming “Oh Wise One” is me.
Worrying about the ‘definition’ of SF is a waste of time. There’s a bunch of ninnies who make *those* rules.
YA SF the rules are different than the ninnies who make silly SF rules.
Call it Futuristic Fantasy rather than SF if you are worried about that SF label.
Yes, you are crazy, but that has nothing to do with your writing or your ability to pull your story off.
April 12, 2007 at 1:14 pm
Amen, sister!