February 12, 2007...10:06 am

Critique Partners: What and Why (and Book Giveaway)

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A week or so ago, someone requested a post on critique partners and someone else requested another entry into the “When Good Advice Goes Bad” series. Being the brilliant blogging mind that I am, I thought to myself: why not combine these ideas and thereby decrease my number of eligible blog topics, thus ensuring another opportunity for me to whine to Sailor Boy about not having anything to write about and for him to say, “I know, write a book and sell it, then you’ll have plenty to blog about,” which is, as we all know, Sailor Boy’s favorite topic. He has it in common with my father. And my agent.

Ahem. So I started writing about critique partners (CPs), and the entry got longer and longer and eventually I realized that I have a lot to say on the topic. Therefore, instead of one GAGB post on the subject, we’ll have several CP posts, only one of which will take the form of a GAGB. Ready? Here we go:
Critique partners: what? A CP is a person who reads your work for you before you submit it to agents/editors/what-have-you. Sometimes, they take the form of a group, whereby the word “partner” becomes “group.” Aliases include: beta readers, first readers, workshoppers. Aliases do not include “my mom” unless your mom is a writer/editor/literary critic/otherwise capable of intelligent critique.

Critique partners: why? I’ve read a lot of discussions on this topic, in blogs, on lists, and in the comment trails of pretty much every agent or industry blog I’ve seen. Some people think that critique partners can do nothing but stymie your writing, give it a “too many cooks in the kitchen” flavor, or at worst, be the blind leading the blind. I have seen this happen. But this is not an example of “critique partnering,” it’s an example of BAD critique partnering.

A good critique partner:

* Ensures you are saying what you think you are saying.
* Points out parts where you can say it better.
* Helps you figure out how to say it better.

Note: This is not anything like a complete list.

And, if you’re really lucky, like me:

* Acts as a career counselor, shoulder to cry on, cheerleader, idea bouncer, and marketing expert.

I hear you say, Diana, I can understand newbies needing CPs. They don’t have pros paid to tell them what’s wrong. But don’t you have an agent and an editor already? Don’t they read your work? What do you need another reader for? Good question. I do, in fact, have both an agent and an editor (hi, ladies!). They’re the best, and give me excellent advice on improving my work.

But in order to get the work to a stage where I am ready to show it to the pros, it needs to go through a few drafts. And though at least one of my CPs has told me I’m the harshest judge of my own work (and to her I say, um, have you seen some of those Amazon reviews?), it’s not always the easiest thing for a writer to figure out where she’s not saying what she thinks she is. Justine has an awesome blog entry, or perhaps musing, on this subject, but I can’t find the link. (J, any hints?) Sometimes we’ve used the wrong word, or forgot to inform the reader of an important fact, or accidentally made our heroine seem like a slut and our hero like a stalker (doing it on purpose is different). A CP can spot these problems before we embarrass ourselves in front of our editors and agents.

To put it bluntly, I think that agents and editors, being people who enter your life when your writing has reached a professional level, deserve to receive professional-quality work. That’s not a first draft. But you do need outside eyes on that first draft. A CP is your lab partner, the person who sees you boil over your beaker and snarf your pipette. They aren’t the one grading you, deciding whether the project is worth shopping or printing.

And sometimes, they see things that our pros do not. And sometimes, they help us realize that our pros were so right, damn it, in the following manner: Writer gets crit back from CP, who is troubled by X. Writer decides CP just doesn’t get it, and sends to CP2 without changes. CP2 loves Writer’s brilliance but has a problem with X. Writer decides that CP2, like CP, has no taste, and sends to editor. Editor says X has to go. Whereas Writer may have died on that hill had she been surprised by it, the overwhelming arguments from both CPs and editor make her realize how wrong she is about X and axes it.

And that’s just the beginning.

The best CPs don’t just fix what’s wrong with your story, they point out ways to take it to that next level. I recently read a book for a CP and it was unbelievably “clean.” Better than most of what’s on the shelves, in fact. But why stop there? Cleanliness is not, in this case, next to godliness. I want my CP’s book to be as good as possible. I have an obligation to make suggestions that will help it get there. (She does not need to take them.)* And for this reason, though a writer may outgrow a CP, they do not outgrow the need for them.

Okay, now that I’ve talked you into getting a CP, the next step is finding one. Where do you do that? Stay tuned…

Oh, and for this week’s giveaway, we have the following books:

DIPPED IN CHOCOLATE is the second romance novella collection by Renee Luke. Check it out. It’s a very romance-and-food themed week here at Diana’s blog.

Enter as usual. Leave a comment in this post. Winner chosen on Friday.

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* And if you are one of those people who think that writers should sabotage other writers, and that any assistance towards other writers is “helping the competition,” and shouldn’t be done, feel free to leave this blog and never come back. I doubt I know anything that will be of assistance to you.

48 Comments

  • Great advice, Diana!

  • Excellent post, Diana.

    (You always seem to bring clarity to what I try to express on my blog. Thanks for being so generous.)

  • I LOVE these posts about writing. Please continue them. :)

  • Great post!

  • Wonderful Blog and Post. thanks.

  • Great post Diana. Very insightful.

  • Jessica Burkhart

    Love this post! Last week, I just joined a critique group with a few writing friends. I’m sending all of them to your blog so they can read your advice. :)

  • A very insiteful post today, keep them coming!

  • Hi, Diana. I’d love to hear you thoughts about knowing when you’ve outgrown a critique group.

  • Thanks, Diana.

    Your posts are just what I need. =oD

  • How R critique partners better than a contest judge?

  • Excellent post – maybe and addendum to this could be “how to identify and rid yourself of toxic CP’s.” Fortunately, I’ve never experienced this myself – I’ve been blessed with the world’s best CP’s – but I’ve heard about it from other writers.

    “But in order to get the work to a stage where I am ready to show it to the pros, it needs to go through a few drafts.” – Exactly. I spent 3 months on revisions on the book that finally got me an agent and editor. (and honestly, when I went through the galleys, I realized it could have used even more work!) Just because I sold doesn’t mean I suddenly pop out perfect first drafts – I still rely heavily on my CP’s to help me with a significant amount of polishing. Plus, my agent and editor have about a zillion other writers to handle – I can’t expect them to give the same amount of meticulous attention to my crappy first drafts as my generous and patient CPs do.

  • I loved this post, Diana. I’ll admit the CP relationship fascinates me. I think to have people who evaluate your work when it’s unpolished and have no investment in it beyond wanting to see you produce a successful book speaks of so much trust between those in the craft. And I think it’s even more impressive in light of your comment at the end about the existance of people who look down upon “helping the competition”. I view writing as something so very personal, so I envy writers and their relationships with CPs, that they can share something so personal and unpolished with one another, have that trust to do so, and have the generosity to put forth to energy to help make a draft the best it can be.

    In an age where competition is high and many have a cut-throat approach to life, it’s so refreshing to see authors be so supportive of one another. (And I think that’s one reason I keep coming back to this blog… not only because you’re witty and fun and adorable, but because it’s fascinating to see the interaction amongst the writers in this little community you’ve created).

  • Great post. Looking forward to part two. I actually have six siblings who write, so about six months ago I took the initiative and founded our own writing critique group. It’s definitely benefited everyone.

  • Yes! I agree on all counts.

    And oddly enough my master’s project/paper is on online critique methods in fiction writing–and critique partners will be part of that.

  • Diana Peterfreund

    Thanks, guys. Heather, I’m so honored that you think so. I love your blog. If you want to talk CLARITY, guys, go see Heather. I babble and ramble.

    Ah, Jaye, we’ll be getting to that one soon enough.
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    Plus, my agent and editor have about a zillion other writers to handle – I can’t expect them to give the same amount of meticulous attention to my crappy first drafts as my generous and patient CPs do.

    Excellent point, Jami! That’s what I was trying to say. That’s a much better way of putting it.

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    Annie, we know you come here for the Veronica Mars spoilers. Don’t kid us.

    I guess I’m not surprised by the idea of professional sharing. My father is a physician, and he and his colleagues confer on cases all the time. I know it’s a vastly different profession, and there’s no competition for “getting that super-tough surgery”, but it’s an attitude I grew up with.

  • Diana Peterfreund

    Mary, how fortunate you are to have a built in critique group. Six writerly siblings? Sounds like a novel already!
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    Susan, I’m fascinated. tell me more!

  • Diana Peterfreund

    Ricketts asked:
    How R critique partners better than a contest judge?

    1) Critique partners aren’t anonymous, which makes it ever so much easier to track them down and strangle… um, I mean, to calmly and politely discuss their problems and suggestions with them. If you don’t understand what a judge says, you can’t ask them for clarity. You can with a CP. I have dialogues with my CPs all the time. “X wasn’t working for me. I think you need to add a little ABC there. Think about this other book we know, where something kind of like X happened, but they had D, so it was okay?” “Yeah, good point.”

    2) Critique partners don’t just tell you what’s wrong, they suggest how to fix it. (Some judges do this, but it’s not necessarily in their job description.) Some contest judges just give you a number, which is the contest equivalent of a form letter.

    3) You get to choose your CPs. we’ve all had one of THOSE contest judges. You never have to work with the CP who “doesn’t get you.”

    4) CPs are free! Well, aside from the occasional drink here and there at conferences — and the birthday cards. And if you marry them, then you may be obligated to do a load of laundry while they read. All of my CPs are in committed relationships for this reason.

    5) CPs give you THEIR work to read as well, and trust me, you learn SO much more about what makes polished writing by reading unpolished writing. The more I worked on unpublished manuscripts, the more I could see how my work was more like that than it was like polished, published, printed manuscripts. I hadn’t had a gauge before.

    And, most importantly:

    6) CPs read your whole book. With few exceptions, contest judges read only the first chapter or so.

  • Shannon McKelden

    Very good post, Diana!! And, you have a rockin’ CP (or more than one, I do believe). So do I, and I’m thrilled with that. VERY important.

    Shannon

  • Excellent post! So very true!

    Cherie Japp

  • Great topic. I don’t know what I’d do without my critique partners. There’s six of us, so that might be a bit big for a critiquing group, but it works.

    I’m looking forward to seeing what else you have to say on this subject.

  • Diana:

    RE the master’s project: I’m just fleshing out the ideas now, and I’ll be working on it for a few years. {g} But the basic ideas is looking at communication techniques in different forms of online critiquing (CP, CGroups, writer’s boards, agent/author blogs and websites, Blackboard) and how they differ…and which seem to “work” for participants. Expect a request for an interview/survey participation somewhere down the line. {g}

  • Great post!

    I have difficulty with CPs. Mostly because I don’t like asking for help. I always feel like I am imposing by asking and prefer to give people an out.

    I also HATE giving critiques. I’m a virgo. I see flaws. I can’t help it. And when I say I like something, I always feel like I sound condescending. On top of that, I am unpublished, so, who am I and what could I possibly know…

    When are you going to try updating to the Google blogger again?

  • Diana Peterfreund

    Patrick, again would imply a first time, which there hasn’t been, because I’m too big, or I’m a contributor of another blog that hasn’t changed, or something like that. Possibly both. every time I sign in they list the reasons I can’t change.

  • Diana Peterfreund

    “I’m too big…”

    come out come out, little anonymi. You know you want to pounce on that one! Silver platter.

  • Insightful and honest as always, Diana.

    I’m a reader first and foremost, and I want to see as many wonderful books as possible in stores. That way I get to read them :D

    I suspect these “helping the competition” types aren’t in this for the love of books.

  • Very Interesting post. I look forward to the series. Thanks for picking up the topic.

  • Maria, Lover of All Things Romance

    That was a great post, I have to find a cp now for myself

  • “come out come out, little anonymi”

    LMAO…

  • Alex – I suspect that type believes the statistics and worries about them. That is why they see others as competition.

    Diana – Again in that you had previously mentioned it. It being converting. Not that you are ‘big’. I don’t believe you mentioned that before.

    I just want to see my picture next to my posts, that’s all. And since I didn’t set that up before I converted, I don’t see it here. :(

  • >>”come out come out, little anonymi”< <

    SNORT! Okay…you owe me half a Diet Coke.

    Critique partners are like a great pair of shoes. You have to try on a lot of them before you find the perfect fit(s).

    = )

  • Excellent point about how you learn alot from reading your CP’s work. A CP and I were just chatting about this earlier. That’s why the more-the merrier!

  • Great post…and the books look great!

  • Great post. Critique partners are wonderful!!! It sort of bugs me when people put them down. But I guess some people do have bad experiences, which is a shame.

  • Interesting post, thanks!
    I’ve gone through quite a few crit partners/groups, but I haven’t found *the one*.
    I know what I want, it’s just a matter of finding it.
    Like dating! Only you don’t have to go exclusive… *grin*

  • Cindy Procter-King

    I agree with you about CPS, Diana. I do believe that even published authors do need and should have them. Unfortunately, I’ve pretty much lost one of my favourite cps to her category deadlines, and I think that’s a shame–for both of us.

    Cindy

  • Stephanie Janulis

    Oh great blog! Jessica sent me on over here since her, myself, and a couple others are starting our own CG. I think we’re in luck and that we’ll all be pretty honest and helpful with each other. I’m looking forward to more!

  • Great post, Diana!

    Very helpful and the books this week look great also!

    Terri

  • Your posts about writing always rock my socks.

    Thanks!

  • I wanted to post to enter the drawing. I’m just a reader and don’t have a CP partner. Well, except my husband in some ways. lol

  • Anxiously awaiting a follow – up post about finding a critique partner.

    “Dipped in Chocolate”, sounds like something right up this culinary grad and aspiring writer’s alley…YUM!

  • I’ve considered finding myself a cp but I think I’m too sensitive to take criticism, especially from a friend. I suppose I’ll have to get over that if I want to be a good writer

  • That was a really thought-provoking post. I’d never thought of getting a cp before

  • Very intersting post, thanks Diana!

  • very interesting post and it holds true in so many ways.
    I’m a reader and would love to enter for the Dipped in Chocolate book. Thanks.

  • Finding a good critique partner is tough! Thanks for the advice about what to look for in a CP.

  • Great post!

  • Great post!


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